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really great to be here today I'd like

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to explore what quantum mechanics might

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suggest about consciousness and the

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underlying processes of matter and how

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the two might be connected which in

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likelihood has important implications

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for sight we've had a little discussion

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that I think they're very grateful for

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for the different interpretations and I

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want to start with what I think is a

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very curious and interesting feature

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about quantum mechanics which in turns

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remains very mysterious and paradoxical

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currently these are some of the primary

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interpretations I won't say too much

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about it because uh other speakers have

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said quite quite a bit they all seem to

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explain the same data and they all seem

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to radically be radically different

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interpretations of our reality and so it

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may be difficult to make it's it's a

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very curious situation it may be

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difficult to make progress going forward

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now here is the well-known Schrodinger

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equation it so happens that the Greek

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symbol for the quantum wave function is

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usually denoted by the Greek letter side

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which I think you know who knows maybe

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sort of a hint to us nevertheless

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there's something very interesting and

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puzzling about the wavefunction that I

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think merits some attention and that is

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that the quantum wave function appears

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to exist in a very very large

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dimensional space and that is the case

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for all the different interpretations of

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quantum mechanics now here's a Sean

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Everett's many-worlds interpretation he

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justifies that particular interpretation

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through the very high dimensionality of

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the quantum wave function but my point

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here is that all interpretations

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Copenhagen many worlds hidden variables

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must deal with this very high

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dimensionality

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the quantum wave function now usually

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when we talk about quantum mechanics end

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up in the space that it operates in

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configuration of space so I thought it

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might be good just to sort of like say a

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few words about that the term for the

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mathematical space used to describe the

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space of the quantum wave function is

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configuration space which happens to be

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three times in dimensions where n is the

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number of particles in the system so for

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example in one part ordinary three space

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has a configuration space of of three

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dimensions two particles in

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three-dimensional space can be

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alternately represented as one particle

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in six dimensions now I would have loved

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to have used graphics to display that

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but it's kind of tough when you get

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beyond three dimensions now you might

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wonder well what's this really useful

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configuration has been space has been

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used for a lot for classical physics it

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seems to be necessary or essential to

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describe of quantum mechanics and that's

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because basically of quantum

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entanglement a quantum system is can be

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can be understood be sort of a complex

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whole that cannot be understood solely

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on the analysis of individual parts the

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dimensions three because of the possible

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spatial dimensions so one of the key

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questions of my talk is what are the

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implications of this high dimensional

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now David Bohm I think the physicist was

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one of the first to really embrace and

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use the fact of the way functioning

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existing in this high dimensional space

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in bombs early work which is known

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usually as hidden variables or debug de

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broglie-bohm framework his guidance

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equation depends on the position of all

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the particles in the system but for Bohm

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the system is

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the universe so his guidance equation

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universe now this might seem like a kind

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of a radical step although perhaps not

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necessarily as radical as the other

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alternatives that are on the table

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McKenna's is is they're often known that

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is the philosophers and physicists who

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follow bones hidden variables framework

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is how to interpret how to think about

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this incredibly high number of

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dimensions that this requires so bones

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approach

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unlike other alternatives provides us

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with a way of thinking about subatomic

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particles that is in some sense more

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congruent with our classical

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understanding by pushing the paradoxes

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of quantum mechanics into a deeper

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underlying strata of reality that is

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inherently non-local and holistic so

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among the bohmian economists and i'm

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mechanists and the i'm an economist so

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sometimes I get mixed up the that is my

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day job as any comes um let's see where

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was I there's an interesting debate

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that's been broken out broken out among

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people who are sort of following Bohm

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and that is what is what do we make of

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this high dimensional reality David

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Albert argues that a realistic view of

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quantum mechanics requires an

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understanding of the world playing out

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in a mind-numbing ly high dimensional

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space and then he proceeds to argue or

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try to think through what does it mean

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that we're in this three dimensional

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space how do we get from infinite

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dimension or close to infant Mitchell to

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three dimensional reality others such as

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the philosopher Tim maudlin argues that

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that's too radical a step configuration

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space is best understood as a

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mathematical tool for defining the

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wavefunction which in turn describes the

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behavior of particles in

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three-dimensional space okay then there

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are others are goldstein and some of the

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other very influential people in this

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literature that argued that the quantum

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mechanical function can be understood

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as functioning in 3-space while the

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higher dimensional properties of the

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configuration space of the wavefunction

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might best be interpreted to be

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something like laws of nature okay so so

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so there we have some of the debate now

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the dynamics of the wavefunction

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requires a high dimensional space that

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is while the quantum wave function

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operates on particles that are observed

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in free space quantum states since

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they're entangled cannot be adequately

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captured with a wave function in three

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dimensions North argues that our

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three-dimensional space in all the

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objects contained within are real but

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not fundamental she argues that the wave

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function exists in a high dimensional

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fundamental space which is the

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foundation of objects in our world so so

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view that there is a real high

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dimensional space that is foundational

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space that describes the behavior of our

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particles in three space so one sort of

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from the entanglements within the

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quantum mechanical system why should we

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require such a high dimensional space

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David Bohm actually took his work beyond

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didn't stuck with his guidance equation

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particles such as electrons were

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projections of a higher dimensional

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reality which he termed the implicit

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order so the implicit order the idea

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that there's this underlying strata of

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reality that is fundamentally holistic

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suggested a possible link with something

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else that is fundamentally holistic

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consciousness so Bohn proposed an

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implicit order as a foundation for both

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a reluctant to take this step now before

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we sort of like dismiss bombs ideas

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about consciousness so forth

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of all consciousness does remain

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unexplained

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theories of consciousness are grounded

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in the laws of physics nothing in the

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laws of physics is that we have on the

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books suggest how consciousness might

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emerge from non conscious particles so

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another stumbling block for physicists

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difficulty in and the great difficulty

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in defining it or analyzing it however

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it is nevertheless real in fact because

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we experience it directly it is arguably

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more real than a lot of the a lot of our

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particles or theories about particles

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that are based on assumptions beliefs

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and and and so forth so so I want to say

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that consciousness we we experience

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directly directly not so much matter so

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what's what's this thing about matter

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Bertrand Russell famous philosopher you

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all know that he wasn't really a big fan

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of probably not a big fan of paranormal

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parapsychology but turns out he does

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suggests consciousness in some sense

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fundamental Russell argued that our

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objective knowledge of the world is

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based on abstract mathematical

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relationships and structures but it

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but is silent on what is the intrinsic

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aspect of reality whatever the essential

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seed stuff is now we might consider that

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physical world suggests consciousness

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and matter or actually Oh be alike more

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alike than not alike therefore

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consciousness matter may be interlinked

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linked to a greater degree than is

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usually realized often philosophers have

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jumping-off point for some version of

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Pan psychism however Russell advocated

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neural neutral monism so Russell and

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reasoning and bone with an

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interpretation of quantum mechanics with

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stresses inherently holistic processes

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so perhaps the answer to the question

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higher dimensional space perhaps is to

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both matter and consciousness thus

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this high dimensional space now to

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and consider Toni knees integrated

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ìit attempts to develop a mathematical

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probably a little bit familiar with this

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it's not a great deal develop a

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mathematical framework for measuring the

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degree of consciousness that a system

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has now to be clear - Nene embraces a

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type of pan psychism not the kind of

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neutral monism that i've been exploring

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here but i hope to explain how his

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framework nevertheless may give us some

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insights to Anini notes that our

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conscious experience includes a wide

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range of different qualia color of the

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carpet texture of the air sound of my

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voice all included in an integrated

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whole

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underlying under underlying this unity

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as a multitude of causal interactions

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among relevant parts of the brain so IIT

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claims that consciousness exists in any

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system of integrated information such as

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complex neural systems biological

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systems however also perhaps perhaps the

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internet as well okay I can't get this

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word never mind

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so so because it's an integrated system

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as well integrated information so it's a

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kind of so it does embrace a kind of pen

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psychism

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okay so ITT IIT also suggests say a

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higher dimensional qualia space within

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this framework of integrated information

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in experience we might have is comprised

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as a collection of cuale

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any and the dimension of this space

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depends on the possible combination of

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the network elements so obviously the

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the more complex the system then the the

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greater the dimensional space is

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required so even a relatively simple

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organism such as a worm could have a

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so in experience in this sort of

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relatively high dimensional quality of

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space would be in antonin into Nonis

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very complex geometrical form comprised

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of various informational relationships

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within the system however to avoid

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confusion I want to just add something

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the dimensional space we're discussing

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earlier in quantum mechanics you know

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three times n times the number of

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particles in the universe is much much

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higher that we're describing I'm here

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based on the the possible combinations

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although that is very very high - so I

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just sort of want to make note I don't

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want to cream confusion my point is is

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that as we try to analyze our subjective

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experience in a formal information

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experiment

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because of its holistic nature

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we we need to sort of go in the

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direction of higher dimension much

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higher dimensional space than three than

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three space now here's a question though

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now in a lot of ways IET is his has been

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he's gotten a lot of attention it's

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gotten very um it's gotten very very

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influential seems to be a reasonable

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framework for exploring consciousness in

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terms of network of information provides

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plausible candidates for necessary

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conditions but is it sufficient I mean

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after all if my it predicts that my

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cellphone is conscious it predicts that

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the Internet is conscious so it seems

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like maybe some piece might be missing

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you know that's that's that's of course

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something that the philosopher is

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debating iti think you know wonder about

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so IIT suggests that conscious

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experience can be described as

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relationships of information but as I

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suggest we may not be able to

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substantiate that with actual experience

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and this problem seems to me to parallel

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Russell's argument that our objective

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knowledge of matter depicts

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relationships of causality but not in

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trend in trinsic experience so perhaps I

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T requires some kind of grounding in a

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much higher dimensional space that could

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sort of fit into the dimensional space

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that we've been describing somehow

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perhaps something something like neutral

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monism along the lines that Bowman

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Russell suggested so so could such a

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step

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complete Tony nice framework I'm not

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really trying to make that argument I

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don't think I've really done justice to

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his very sophisticated framework I'm

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only trying to sort of glean some

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insights into how thinking about

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consciousness in a formal informational

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framework seems acquires through a lot

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to think about relatively high

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dimensions which in turn may require

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something like the infinite dimensional

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space of quantum mechanics and how it

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so this sort of like leads to what I

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think is a very interesting question

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does our experience inhabit a much

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higher dimensional space does our

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subjective experience inhabit a reality

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considerably higher dimension than the

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three-dimensional space that that we in

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some sense are used to perhaps we've

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sort of filtered out some aspects of

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reality well I don't have time to sort

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of like explore the possible SCI

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implications for SCI but just you know

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briefly I'll just note that BOMs

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implicit order is essentially a high

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dimensional space as a playground of

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non-local holistic proto conscious

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reality of pure potential and I believe

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this is an excellent framework for

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understanding the the micro side side

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data obtained under laboratory

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conditions and it could be a very rich

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framework for perhaps some of the micro

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site as well but I'm not really prepared

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to speculate too much but I think it

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really does give us a very sort of

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something to think about so just want to

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wrap up just some key points the

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standard quantum wave weighted wave

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function functions in a high dimensional

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space and of course this doesn't really

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depend on you know the interpretation

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Bohm argued that this high dimensional

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space is an underlying strata of reality

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that is non-local and inherently

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holistic and in later work posited as a

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foundation for mind and matter and as I

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as I just mentioned I think that this

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interpretation of quantum mechanics and

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consciousness is consistent with many

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categories of aside data so thank you

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very much

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[Applause]

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okay we have quite a bit of time for

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questions here so people would like to

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come line up hi

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so I always thought that right so I

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always thought that I guess I'm sort of

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a radical empiricist

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so I wonder what you'll think about this

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I feel like all all we can be sure of

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empirically is consciousness because

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that's all we basically that's our first

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everything else is imprints right so

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matters in prints right so isn't it

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easier instead of taking a neutral a

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modus position and in terms of trying to

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find parallels with QM to just take an

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idealist position and say so that the

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about high dimensional space is more

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like the foundational consciousness and

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that matter is more like the actualized

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you know evolution of the particles yeah

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that's an excellent question one of the

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sort of like problems with maybe neutral

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monism is that if we sort of posit a

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proto conscious you know strata well

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does that what does that really mean is

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it conscious or is it unconscious or

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there's something in between but how can

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it be in between you know so I I'm

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inclined to in William James who you

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know as a big fan of radical empiricism

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was also a fan of neutral monism but he

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his version was pure awareness so he

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actually and this isn't necessarily

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where I'm not sure this is where

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everyone but it but I kind of like that

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I kind of like William James version of

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pure awareness it was sort of like sort

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of like an unfiltered kind of awareness

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that gets conditioned into our

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biological kinds of you know or or let's

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say an unconditional awareness that gets

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conditioned through through our biology

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culture and so forth so I don't have a

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strong statement but it's a good

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question that I'm not that I still sort

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of like now a lot of people

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shy away from idealism because I think

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they're just a little bit you know the

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idea that is that the MOT that what we

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sort of experience for our mind seems to

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have a sort of unstable much much more

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unstable characteristic than what we

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observe when we look at matter so I

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think that so I think there's there's

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tendency to say well okay if we're not

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looking at if we're not aware does that

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you know make it go away or or and so I

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think some people may yeah are a little

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bit reluctant with with with idealism

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but I think that it may be that ideal I

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think that neutral monism does have at

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least in my view I I do a I do like the

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idea of a some kind of like maybe pure

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awareness that we as William James put

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on the table since nobody else has come

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up to get in line I'd like to offer a

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couple of comments first by way of a

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clarification the infinite dimensional

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hilbert space of quantum formalism has

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nothing to do with the three x n

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dimensional configuration space that's